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emma

thank you the review of Astrology for the Millions! but i would debate that mr. lewi was the first 'psychological astrologer'. as early as 1933, dane rudhyar was writing holistic, transpersonal, objective, astrology books and articles, with his, Astrology of Personality, being first published in 1936. many of dane's works (on art, music, poetry, civilization and culture, his philosophy of wholeness, theosophy, spirituality as well as astrology) can be read at http://www.khaldea.com/.

Robert

Hi emma - This is longer than I intended, but my readers may be interested in some history of these giants, as well as others who have contributed to the psychological dimension of the craft.

Grant and Dane Rudhyar were contemporaries. Rudhyar was the first astrologer to join astrology, humanistic psychology, and holistic philosophy. He wrote mainly musical, theosophical and philosophical articles in the 20s and early 30s, became a student of Marc Jones' material in 1930, and cultivated his interest in holistic philosophy and Jungian psychology in the early 30s. From a bio: "Rudhyar had kept his interest in astrology and occasionally had interpreted charts for inquiring friends; but the MEJ courses showed him how much wider the scope of astrological thinking could be." His first articles came out in 1933-34, but he was not a practicing astrologer, whereas Grant was a practicing professional by 1934.

The real difference is that Rudhyar was much more philosophical-theoretical in his writings. Grant was actually doing professional readings for people. Wouldn't THAT have been an experience!

Technically, Alan Leo, the great British Theosophist-astrologer, was actually the first "psychological" astrologer. From a bio: "in the last years of his life he turned from 'event oriented astrology' to character description & psychological tendencies..." as a reaction to legal problems arising from predictive astrology. That was 1917. His work was picked up by C.E.O. Carter, also a British Theosophical Astrologer, who was the first to publish a work with the words "psychological astrology" in the title, but it was still mostly based on the old mechanistic model.

As an aside, in my opinion, Marc Jones was perhaps the greatest spiritual astrologer of all time, producing an enormous body of extraordinary material well respected to this day. I have the highest respects for Rudhyar, and would never put Rudhyar or his work down, as I met and spoke with him and Dr. Jones several times in the 70s and 80s and have utmost respect for both. That said, I seldom recommend Rudhyar for aspiring beginning astrologers, as his work can be difficult to apply, whereas Grant Lewi's work is truly "Astrology for the Millions." Still, thanks for raising the issue, since these men are all giants of the craft, and worthy of highest respects.

emma

robert, you met dane rudhyar (and marc jones)!? holymoley! :) what an incredible blessing! thank you for sussing out your post with this additional information. i appreciate it.

Robert

Hi emma - A little more. Yes, I had the distinct pleasure of meeting both men several times, sat in limited attendance seminars with each, and got a couple of personal "audiences" due to interesting circumstances occurring at the conferences where each were presenting.

Dr. Jones was the most brilliant metaphysician I ever met and spoke with, but he was a stiff drink of water, so to speak. He tended to become impatient with people who he thought asked superficial questions, and gave them what for in no uncertain terms. In Q&A he was quite formidable. My personal interaction came as a result of an astrological question I asked him that he had never thought of before. It intrigued him, which led to a lengthy discussion "after class."

I got to speak with Rudhyar due to "winning" the time with him at a conference. I was put in the unwanted position of being challenged by an arrogant "heavyweight" astrologer (probably no one you've heard of) who insisted that predictive astrology was bogus, and no one could predict the outcome of contests. So I proceeded to win three out of six prizes despite thousands of entrants. One of those prizes was a personal audience with Rudhyar lasting about half an hour. I mainly wanted to discuss the septile series aspects, since I was writing about them at the time and he was interested in my work. I also had copies of his articles on same from the late '30s and '40s from several magazines in my collection, and he asked me for copies, since he didn't have any of his own, and we corresponded for a brief time after that.

Of course, in the late 70s both were very old men, but both were as you can imagine sharp as a tack. I have never forgotten my time with either. And yes, it was truly an incredible blessing. So was my long lasting friendship with Carl Payne Tobey, Grant Lewi's best friend and the pioneer of statistical astrology. I met a few more in the old days. Ron Davidson and I became good acquaintences, and I got to know Michelle Gauquelin fairly well, as he shared the same birthday as my wife at the time. There were others both famous and obscure I got to know back when I circulated in those seminars and gatherings, but I haven't done that in a loooooong time. Too busy blogging! ;-)

emma

awww, yur killin' me!
*what great stories!* HAa! :)

_thanks so much for sharing_.

to have been able to connect with these folks speaks volumes of your essence. (then again, a read of any of your columns makes that obvious as well).

namaste, robert.

Robert

I don't usually share much of my personal experience, so thanks for gettin' me to talkin' I suppose...

Barbara

Dear Mr. Wilkinson,

I just discovered your site and was excited to read that you had known Carl Payne Tobey.

I know that he had had an astrology course. Do you know if it is still available, and, if so, how one could get it?

Thanks.

Barbara

Robert

Hi Barbara - I can't personally recommend any one source as I have not directly dealt with those who are selling versions of Carl's course. That said, I heard that a former student of his had compiled his work some time ago and was faithfully trying to keep his work in the public eye. I found this: "Naomi Bennett was a former student and associate of Carl Payne Tobey in Tucson from 1968 to 1974. She has extensive knowledge of his techniques and uses them in her practice. These lessons are available for $150.00 plus $6 for US domestic 4th class postage. They are sent seven lessons at a time for four months. Naomi can be reached by email or phone for questions."

I suspect this is the woman, so you may want to go with her. Her email is: naomiben@swbell.net

bre

hi
i wonder does anyone know how i could predict my death? i would like to know how lewi did it. can anyone really be that accurate? i have had many a chart done but it all seemed so vague. why do they have to be so vague? i think people in general want to know specific ocurring astrological events that happen in the course of their lives.

Robert

Hi bre - First, we have several possible times that we could die, so predicting a specific time is a fool's game given you have all the choice in the world to live a long or short life based on your choices. Yes, Grant was THAT accurate, and I am familiar with his technique. Sorry you've had sessions with astrologers who were vague. My sessions with people are not vague in the least. But there are things I will never tell my clients. No point, no need. Too much to live for to be chasing points of possible death.

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