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All I have to say is - Holy cow, a December 25th birthday?! There's got to be signficance there, but I'm not sure exactly what it is.

My guess is that he could have been as much a genius for good, as he has chosen to be for bad.

Simply great writing, Robert.

KH

Caleb - I'm assuming you're equating the 12/25 birthday with Jesus (who has been quite a theme in the comments on this blog of late!) --- remember, that is most likley NOT when Jesus was born - much more likely it was in the spring. I believe we celebrate Jesus's birth because Saturnalia was such a powerful Roman festival & the early Christians co-opted the date as they did with many others --- notice how the Christian holidays seem to conveniently fall on pagan festivals or near them.

Hi Diane,

I believe two possibilities (or more) might be existing at the same time.

1. 12/25 was not Jesus' real birthday.

2. There are not many coincidences - there must be some meta-physical significance that Rove was born on the same day that much of the world regards, honors, and observes as that of the birthday of a world teacher.

3. What that significance is?

Who knows.

Perhaps that the idea of Christ being born on that day is a fabrication, and Rove is a master of fabrication. The church appropriated that day for itself and trampled the ancient tradition, and Rove is appropriating power and trampling tradition. I could go on, but you get the gist.

Works as good as anything...sure. What you said.

Bravo, Robert! Really juicy stuff in here; let's hope all the other satellites (like Fitzgerald) align as they should.

Sure sounds like the next two weeks will be dicey for both Bush and Rover...woohoo!

Hi Rayne - Here's an article with his transits for this period. I believe Dubya's in for a very rough ride in the very near future. Couldn't happen to a more deserving guy.

Hey Robert, in Dubya's transits did you see anything about his marriage? There's been buzz, but it's hard to tell whether there's any meat to it. Could the buzz be folks in the intel community retaliating, or could it be truth? Hmm.

Hi Rayne - Will take a look, but with his insanity, cruelty, drug use and depression, I have no doubt Laura's got her hands full. I will look at their charts, but it must be tough being married to a mood-swinging madman.

I can only "ditto" the remarks about Bush's makeup and the rampant use of drugs to make him "fit" to appear publically. The Wayne Madsen reports in the last couple of days surely would indicate why he is in some sort of inner turmoil. It would be VERY interesting to see you interpretation of Dubya and Laura and also of Dubya and CONDI. LOL

The inexorable Karmic Wheel of Retribution will mow Karl Rove down and crush him like the filthy slug of corruption he is--Rove does not have long to live, his hours on earth are numbered and he will be answering to the Judge of Hell for his myriad sins!

Hi Virginia - As you know by now, I figured I'd do a sketch of Laura's chart, and it sure seems she's not very happy at present.

Hi Raymond - He may have whistled past one hangman, but I believe his perceived omnipotence has begun to crack around the edges. Unfortunately, his corruption, being the currency of the day, is still curiously welcome, even though his karma is probably leading him to something as ugly as his predecessor, Lee Atwater, who died a fairly difficult death.

I've stopped wishing for the worst for Karl, as I believe he has done such onerous deeds that he will, in fact, wish he never had been born approximately one second after he dies and he has to review the movie of his life, feeling all the pain that he created for his victims. Karl is one of those men to whom the phrase applies, "The bigger they are, the harder they fall." Like Atwater.

Hi there,

I am an astrologer in Canada, and while I certainly have political opinions, I am actually quite shocked to see Astrology being used to frame an individual as you have done. If "Karl Rove" were not the name on the chart, you would see a completely different profile. I believe that a chart should initially be read for the nnate profile found within it - without reference to what you already know, and certainly not with sarcasm, malice and mocking tone. One should seek to estabish a basic connection to the currents of energy in the chart, in this and other lives. Like a physician, the astrologer must use her/his craft with complete objectivity, and not use it to indulge in name-calling and "gotcha" analysis. I had to discontinue my subscription to a major US Astrology magazine for the same reason. I could not wade through the propaganda attached to the so-called analysis of US public figures, and public events.

What a great site you have created, for the most part. It would be so much better if you did not play high priest preaching to the converted - i.e. Americans who are wildly polarized in a dysfunctional political culture.

Robert Tarnas' recent book Cosmos and Psyche suggests there are major cosmic astrological forces shaping us in rhythmic synchronicities and historical cycles - maybe US history is part of that rhythm, and not all down to terrible men and women as you tend to portray your political world...just a thought.

Carol in Victoria BC, Canada

DEAR CAROL,

I suggest you might be very mindful accusing someone of "playing high priest
preaching to the coverted" and then labeling us "Americans who are wildly polarized in a dysfunctional political culture." It is okay for you to be the high priestess espousing you opinion, but NOT okay for Robert to give his opinion on his own site ? An interesting attitude . And may I remind you this is a global site, not just one for "the converted."

Hi all - Thanks, magenta, for reminding someone that it is okay to call a fascist exactly that (especially to one whose country is not in peril or ruin due to that being's machinations!) It's funny how those outside of a wreck have opinions about what those of us caught in the wreck should be feeling. I will comment more extensively when I'm off the road in a few days, but I will remind people who stumble on this stream that while it is true that everyone born on Rove's birthday aren't fascists, it is okay to say that a Stalin has certain attributes, regardless of what day he's born.

Robert again with a follow-up to Carol's criticisms - After some thought, I must respond on two levels, one astrological and one political. After re-reading this article, I disagree with my critic's take on the astrological analysis. I was fairly objective in analyzing Rove's chart, and remarkably accurate in assessing what he did to Scooter Libby to escape the noose of treason in betraying a US intelligence agent. His progressed timeline also looks accurate in hindsight.

Then there's the issue of believing that a chart should be read "without reference to what you already know." That's absurd, especially for an astrologer with a degree in psychology and advanced training in psychological analysis. Ultimately it's impossible to analyze anything except through the lens of "what we already know," perceptual frames being what they are. To read a chart of a war criminal with no eye to that person's dysfunctions is like swimming with shoes and chains.

As for sarcasm, I was not sarcastic in my assessment of Rove. OTOH, I feel that Bush deserves ALL the sarcasm heaped upon him, being a simplistic smirking puppet and war criminal who has deliberately thrown millions of lives into terror, suffering, and needless violence and poverty. While my Buddhistic inclinations always call me to find what compassionate view I can, even of the world's villains, I am also an American and free thinking Soul who believes that evil triumphs when good people say and do nothing to prevent that evil. Anyone who has had therapy knows one must name inner and outer demons to strip them of their power. These two villains have thrown our world into chaos unlike anything since Stalin and Hitler. My Sun-Mars in the 9th and Moon in Aquarius is aghast at the heavy-handed violence Bush and Rove have foisted on our world.

There's no malice in calling a cowpie a cowpie. As we say in Texas, you can put lipstick on a pig but it still won't make her beautiful. And neither of these men, nor any of the other neocons bent on global domination, are beautiful people. For those who may not know, I was a respected political consultant and blogger for years and can back up my political statements with hard evidence. For those who doubt the neocon menace, start by reading the PNAC statement, and look at how the plan has unfolded since then. These are fascists bent on global domination.

As for the pejorative and prejudicial analysis ("It would be so much better if you did not play high priest preaching to the converted - i.e. Americans who are wildly polarized in a dysfunctional political culture.") I can only wonder how this person came to be appointed as judge and jury for those of us caught in a political trainwreck of corruption, war mongering, war profiteering and disastrous environmental policies created by political animals who perpetuate and profit from the polarization.

I always found it interesting that the definition of "idiot" comes from the Greek, idios, whose original meaning was an ignorant person who refused to take part in the political affairs of their times. With all kudos to Green Day, I'm NOT an "American Idiot." Even a spiritual Astrologer gets to have an opinion about what works and doesn't in their society. Those who are not directly affected by a Fascist boot cannot possibly know what it feels like.

As for major forces shaping our times, I am a trained metaphysician, historian, and psychologist, and probably as aware of those as anyone, but to divorce those trends from the men and women who play their parts on the world stage goes against everything that Astrology is. "Forces" are played out by people, as well as Nature and human action/non-action in response to it, and are not mere abstractions. To offer a grim reminder, there ARE "terrible people" in our world. If you doubt that, you haven't been reading the statistics on abused women and children, or the child slaves in Africa abused by adults to keep chocolate cheap.

Where there is injustice, cruelty, torture, rape and murder perpetuated by evil people, I shall remain a gadfly and voice for a better world while busting what corruption I can. If Carol wants to discontinue reading my posts, she is free to do so. However, the peril in refusing to take a political stand in the face of war criminals is to turn a blind eye to the neo-Stalins and neo-Hitlers bent on dominating our world through chaotic radicalism. They don't go away simply because people refuse to stay informed.

If anyone wants an outstanding and reputable source extensively documenting Rove's disgusting tactics throughout his political life, check out Karl Rove in a Corner by Joshua Green from The Atlantic originally published November 2004. Just be prepared to be revolted by what you read about this man behind the throne.

(Again, no doubt there are many good people born 25 December 1950, and if you were please don't take Rove's analysis personally. No doubt you were raised with a higher set of ethics than Karl.)

Hi Robert,

In the past I have tried to stay away from posting policital stuff on this website for the most part. But something I heard just made me want to comment.

Guess who Karl is blaming for starting the Iraq war? The dems of course! LOL

Peace,

Helen

P.S. At least he didn't blame Clinton.

Hi Helen - I plan on trying to create a more politically oriented "spiritual" site in 2008 that will link to this one but have a different agenda. I saw the article that Karl the Lizard is blaming the Dems. He's a ruthless, nasty man with no conscience who has done more damage than most suspect. Utterly authoritarian and having gotten away with treason while letting Scooter wear the horns, he cannot leave our political scene fast enough.

Dear Carol in Victoria,

I would like to thank you for your comments on objectivity by astrologers in general. Heaven knows the world thinks we are battie anyway.

As an American I appreciate your comments regarding biased analysis of Karl Rove, whether correct or incorrect. Robert abuses his otherwise insightful and informative website. Even though he has a "right" to bash individuals, I for one am turned off by that approach and it does nothing but build his bad karma, too. I am happy to hear of Robert's plans for a separate political forum because then maybe I can continue to visit Aquarius Papers and avoid his and others' vicious leftist political tirades.

Hi Donna - Karmically, it is the obligation of each Spiritual Being to attempt to lessen the sources of suffering. There can be no bad karma in observing and pointing out the villany of those who create suffering. Putting one's head in the sand creates bad karma through aversion. Karl is the source of massive widespread suffering. There are many millions of Iraqis who would agree, since Rove was a primary architect of the war. He has also viciously smeared many good people over many years, destroying reputations of honorable people. You probably need to study more of the nature of karma, since you seem to have some holes in your comprehension of what creates bad karma.

As for "abusing" my website, that is a peculiar judgment. This site demands nothing of anyone. It generates thousands of altruistic ideas each month. I do not tell you or anyone else how you must pray, or what you must think, or must say, so your concept of abuse is peculiar. You obviously need to study more about that as well. I suggest you read some works by Lenore E. Walker if you want to weigh in on the subject of abuse.

"Leftist" is an obsolete political term, simplistic and inaccurate in describing my view. These terms have become meaningless in contemporary American politics. I promise I'm not a socialist or communist. And pleeeeze don't do me any favors by coming here, taking my material for your personal use, and then criticizing what I do or how I do it. I will never remain quiet while fascists and war criminals create widespread suffering, so I guess you better find another cantina where you can drink for free.

Hi Donna,
why you pick up something that is more than 3 months old and spoil the good spirit of this site? There are good people and bad people and if we talk only about good, we are deluding ourselves. And if bad people have power, then it's comforting to know that one day the wheel of fortune can turn. I'm waiting things turn difficult for Putin, to give new chance for Russia, but it's too distant for you to think about. And you don't have to read what you dont like!

Robert, write whatever You like, as everything is interesting! You are doing great job and helping so many of us!
Ruuta

Hi Robert,

What was interesting to me was I was making "light" of this news.

All this commentary reminds me of listening to a talk radio host making comments about Barbara Bush. Someone called him up and scolded him that he, the talk show host, should show "more respect." After the caller hung up, the talk show host commended "imagine that, I host a talk host and not allowed to have an opinion!"

Peace,

Helen

Hi Ruuta - She'll probably never post again, due to her rude, judgmental, and third-person tone addressing someone else who has not posted anything since. The problem with being an open podium (which I CHOOSE to make it - there are many blogs that do not allow comments!) is that I have created a forum where anyone can comment, regardless of what ignorance or knowledge they bring to the table.

You're right about there being both good and bad people in our world, and the need to remember that the boot of authoritarian control is not permanent due to the inherent need of people for freedom. I suspect she is just another hit-and-run crypto-authoritarian who can't stand the reality that Karl and his ilk are truly abusive nasty people. In my years of political blogging, I have found that "liberal" and/or progressive thinkers are usually willing to engage in reasonable dialog, while authoritarians usually want to repress dissent and throw pejorative accusations like "vicious leftist political tirades." Those who believe there is any "leftist" anything in America are living a delusion, unless we're speaking about left-handed people.

Hi Helen - Well, now you know why I tend not to post political subjects here, though I'm tempted to start posting more just to weed out the crypto-authoritarian thinkers in the audience who actually believe that BushCo. is good for anything other than Halliburton profits. These are treasonous war profiteers who have ruined our country economically, environmentally, and internationally for years to come, and it's going to take a lot of rebuilding to restore America's health. As for respect for Barbara B, she who told Katrina victims they were better off in a shelter than their homes, I can only recall a button I wore with pride for many years through many antiwar and antinuke demonstrations, "QUESTION AUTHORITY." I'll certainly question anyone's authority who would perpetuate suffering or ignorance.

Dear Robert,
I read your rules about posting before I posted. I wanted to see how my opinion to the political comments would be received. I thought I was being respectful and honest about you while chatting with Carol about her thoughts. But my irony touched a sore spot. Sorry.

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