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Lainie

I will turn 50 this year. In my lifetime, I've had Pluto conjoin Jupiter, Mars, Neptune, Sun, Mercury, North Node, Descendant, Saturn, and Venus. Moon is in Capricorn, so it will reach that also. I feel I have never had a time in my life that was easy or "normal." Pluto has taken a great deal from me, and not given much in return. "Intense pressure" indeed -- with no let-up. Now it's in my 8th house. I am not sure what the karmic lesson might be of a lifetime of Pluto transits, but I can't say I have much left in the way of dreams.

Leana

I'm having Pluto right on top of my AC in Sag, it's going to be felt there for a while, + making an opposition to my natal Venus/7th house...Would it be like having Scorpio as a rising sign?

Robert

Hi Elaine - Well, I have Pluto in the first, so I get the pleasure of its company my entire life, 24/7! Normal never seemed an option for me, nor was my life all that easy at any point I can remember, except very briefly. I don't think it's Pluto's function to "give" as much as purify, which usually means taking away. And in the 8th, you should be able to get whatever you want - just be aware of the "law of unintended consequences." It could just be a miracle of regeneration, if you take the principles of thoughtform building a la Florence Scovel Shinn to heart.

Hi Leana - I believe it's as much like having an Aries Rising as Scorpio, as per other posts on this site. Remember, Mars rules Aries and Scorpio in this world, and Pluto rules both signs in the metaphysical world. Prepare to clear out bizarre relationships that prevent you from getting the results you want from life, or which get you lost in loose ends. Let go of the weird ones, and you get the purified ones.

jacs

Dear Robert,
I don't know anything about conjuncts or all the first or second or houses in general,(feel astrologically disadvantaged here) but what I do know is Sag is my rising ( I am Taurus--w/ Venus/Moon in Aries and Mars/Leo)and so this must mean Pluto is gonna get me....and it has, I think... This is a very hard year as we have discussed before on other posts, but I just lost my stepdad-- tragically-- and this year just does not stop throwing things...I can't catch them all...they drop, fall, I pick up fratured pieces....lost my sister 5 years ago (she was only 41... also a Gemini w/ Scorpio rising)....moved, moving again, things have been quite unsettling this year-- I miss him terribly, he was a Gemini w/ Scorpio rising... grew weary of a sorrowful life...we got along well, he was a dad to me for 27 years (I lost my other dad when I was 13) surrounded by death all my life and trying to determine the meaning around that (outside of the obvious that life ends and begins)....my mom is a Scorpio with Gem. rising-- we eventually worked at getting along... My stepdad could determine parts of my chart mostly in his mind without much analysis...he had an incredible mind and heart. My own counselor friend who is closing her practice....Gemini with Scorpio rising....they have been incredible gifts to me...these Gemmies... I know you said things will settle in September, but I move again then....back to classes full-time and what I try not to do is live in fear of what will happen next. This is the most bizarre year of losses, but yet of one of more inner reflection that I can remember. Everything has/is being reassessed-- there is some sense of detachment of the external I am striving for. I have also lost all sense of future plans and this began many months ago---things are not what they were, direction is changing, but I do not know where. I am a theoogy major with minor in ancient studies, planned on going on to an MTS, but not sure anymore about direction...I will go on to school, but...state of flux for my entire life and those around me would be an understatement and I see it in all the posts here as well.... I hope everyone finds some peace. Insight, if you have time to spare....I am grateful. I am moving again Friday to a temporary home...for 3 months....I do need to set up an appt with you soon....but moving and changing phone numbers is making that very hard....I am the Taurus who has all the fire signs/born May 10 1961....I am wondering about "the older I get the less I know" and whether or not that is wisdom....I just finished a paper on attaining wisdom through suffering and why that is so....
Thank you for this wonderful site that I can explore and that makes some sense of things that in this visible world, make no sense...Plato was on to something with his "forms...."
Jacs

chickie

Your Highness,

I haven't visited in a while, for I have a compressed cervical spine and a chiropractor dragging off the my computer and the dance floor. I'm now dragging myself out of depression and the timing is perfect for your insightful article. I wonder. I don't have any planets in Sag except a progressed moon at 28 conjunct and I have natal ceres and chiron in sag. So I think that Pluto in present sag, Pluto in natal leo along with the mother goddess and the healer has assisted me in my work and my healing of rape before the age of 5. Si? No?

chickie

Leana

Hi Robert,
"Get you lost in loose ends", that's where I am, fighting hard with myself first, to resist this "magnetic pull" coming from an Aqua/Scorpio person (i remenber when you said he could be very "scorpionic" with me...), where at the end i know it would destroy me! I'm very aware of this and at the same time his energy haunts me, even more from distance...Many times i have said to myself that it was over, that i wasn't going to respond to his emails, it never lasts more than a week!...How could I "cut" away this energy between us? How could Pluto become my friend? Help...

Miguela

Robert,

You are doing such a wonderful thing for mankind....Please keep it up.

Quick question about the houses. Should we focus on what house the sun (or planet) was in or that house pluto was in at the time of our birth?.....It is kind of weird because in 2003/2004 I married my incredible wife (pluto was in Libra and the 7th house for both of us at birth) and I started to become incredibly spiritual about the world (sun 20 sag 9th house). My sun/pluto conjuct was around Jan 2004.

Thanks Robert,

Miguela

Wild Horse Running

Leana,

"Like a moth to a flame, killed by desire".....your letter speaks to me. I too have had a magnetic pull-unhealthy 15 year computer-a few short visits, with someone who lives in another state. Over the years I have "convinced myself-looked through rose colored glasses", that this person who I could not let go of, was for me, I just had to try harder. I am very "fixed"..Scorp Sun-Mars 2nd house, Neptune-Scorp 1st-Moon Taurus opposing sun 8th- Uranus Leo-10th,....this person is a Virgo...but deep within I have figured out he was playing a role in my play....abandonment issues-self-worth issues, emotionally unavailable father, I have had lots of mirroring, and finally "see" the light....I have'nt been available, I have been closed....and consequently all my relationships, and life expierences have had those elements. The last 2 years has been very rough-restricted, where I couldn, run away...and was forced to look-address my issues...and there has been a tremendous shift taking place...and "HE" isn,t so attractive anymore...and Im starting to feel different and want different things. I know I wouldn,t have been able to get to this place, if it wasn,t for this expierence, and as difficult as it has been, and its almost over (hopefully...June-July?)I am grateful...I have been asleep about alot.

I hope the tunnel gets brighter soon....

Namaste

chrissie

Hi Robert,

I love reading your site and appreciate your insights. I have Pluto in my 9th house as well as an Asc in late Sag. So I am definitely feeling the effects of all this. Any idea when things might let up a little?

Thanks

Robert

Hi jacs - My sincere condolences on losing your stepdad. I'm sure you'll find ways to honor the connection over time. Pluto is a long term influence, as Part 2 will make clear. It only takes away that which cannot sprout in the new life season. And I understand that sometimes we cannot keep ALL the balls in the air, and drop a few. So what? If we drop some, it's because a) we caught what was important, or b) we're not supposed to be catching them due to our attention being directed elsewhere. I'm letting go of enormous pressure, and many things have left my life forever, whether I wanted them to or not. It's the same with everyone I know, for a variety of planetary reasons. I have known too much death my whole life, and found there is nothing I can do when someone's time is up except honor the bond and keep the love in my heart to offer to my world however I can. There is no cure for our mind's tendency to suffer over losses except detachment, dispassion, discrimination, and generating goodwill. Fear is a very dangerous disease, and if you are having a fear response, that's EXACTLY why you must go through experiences so you can break the link between fear and living life freed of fear. Letting go of future plans makes space to live in the NOW. As George Harrison gave us after his death, "If you don't know where you're going, any road will get you there..." And I join you in wishing all who visit this site some measure of peace. Any time you want, we can do a session. Just call since I do book up 3-5 weeks in advance.

Hi chickie - Glad you checked in. Perhaps your spine thing can be helped by the right Yoga posture? Pluto on your P Moon is a transitional effect, and yes, I'm sure Pluto conjunct Ceres and Chiron is helping you heal through wandering and questing, occasionally finding "harvests" to get you to the next field of better dreams healing old memories.

Hi Leana - Dump people who undermine you, make you feel poorly about yourself, or drain you. Detach from the desire nature, and be dispassionate as you regard what is occurring as something happening to someone who is not the true YOU. Simply put, do not respond to any hooks, and over time the tendency will still. Even better, find a new way of responding to draining influences by programming in a counter-response that feeds you, empowers you, and helps you to detach from needless dramas.

Hi Miguela - Thanks. I endeavor to persevere. The house of the Pluto transit is where the Pluto effects will work out, and the planet it transits shows long range transformations in areas ruled by that planet. Pluto's natal house is where we are most likely to constantly experience its influence.

Hi WHR - What you say has wisdom, especially about detaching from unhealthy dances. When we examine our imagery to see why we are hypnotized by unhealthy things, we then can replace that imagery with positive actions that we self-generate, breaking the magnetism of believing we can be fulfilled or made happy by anything or anyone outside our true Loving Self. And it ALWAYS gets better when we detach from that which frustrates us, or leaves us unfulfilled. The trick is to know when to cut one's losses and move into an unknown that must be better than whatever we're leaving behind.

Hi Chrissie - It'll get better gradually. And you'll find that though the pressure is constant, it does fluctuate, so grab the moments in between to enjoy! It's not really all that bad once you make friends with your own "Lord of the Underworld."

maire

Dear Robert,
You are such an inspiration. I discovered your site about a couple of months ago. I love what you freely offer. I used to read 'planetwaves' site - you may know it... but then this became 'unfree', so the author has lost a lot of inspirational readers and the inspirational vibration that freely putting forth and giving space to share, the kind of quality of cosmic/spiritual understanding that you do.
I just think your site is great. Thanks,
Blessings,
Mary

Robert

Hi Mary - Thanks for your praise of the site. I just happen to be able to do this at present. Someday there may be some special features that can only be accessed through subscription, but for now, what you see is what you get. Still, I have great compassion for other professional astrologers who are trying to make a living in our ever-more expensive reality, and so I understand why some must charge for what previously was a free service.

Leana

Thank you Wild Horse and thank you Robert! I think that the best thing that i could do for myself is to "transmute" this negative energy (by not responding to his emails...), even if it feels so hard to do, because everytime i have done it in the past, it's when he comes back as if he could sense that was detaching myself...and I'm happy to know that "it only gets better when we detach from that which frustrates us"! Wild Horse, your story gives me hope and strenght to transform myself (also with the help of Pluto on my AC, he can help me do the "cleaning" part!), yes it's never the "other" the problem, it's us and how we allow the other to play that part of us!!! Same thing here, I also have an emotionally detached father (in my chart: Sun/Uranus square), so I keep falling for those detached men, hoping to get their affection...the "mirroring effect".So it's great that you have done all this work on yourself! "Like a moth to a flame, killed by desire..." it sounds so beautiful and it gives me inspiration for an art project...Thank you Wilde Horse!

Wild Horse Running

Leana,

Thanks for your letter. This last week I have had (inner conflict) over my decision to "not respond"...as this person does the same as yours...as soon as they feel you pulling away, they throw the "bait out". After I wrote today, I went to the movies, and saw Jane Fonda in "Georgia Rule"....3 generations of women,
who keep repeating the same "old shit".....and I saw visions of myself....holding onto past hurts...and how I have "attracted people just like me, but couldn,t see that. Once you start with yourself, you can let go of blaming others... when you "point your finger at someone else, you have 3 fingers pointing back at you".

Whatever hurts/pain/unresolved anger that you are carrying around (as prisoners/unconcious of) you will continue to repeat old patterns....but the minute you become awake-and pluto will take care of that-you start to be able to "let go" of those "addictions"......

your on your way...Im almost 48 (Nov)Scorp-Pluto ruled, also with a Sun/uranus square..Mars/uranus square...Moon/8th house-death-rebirth/uranus square...my chart is a BIG square...I hope your transformation happens much earlier than mine. Also it took me a very restricted-rough expierence to get through to me.....hopefully you won,t need that, but if you do, know that when it is finished, you will be re-born.

Take care, thanks for writing, I found some more answers today, because of your letter.

rogue

i love you!!!

i've had such a hard time with differnt views i have on relationships and what i want and what i get and what i need....

driving me crazy.
but i read your articles and i understand things.

thank you.

jacs

Robert and others....here...
Thank you so very much. Yes, there is a "doom" or "what is around the corner next" feeling and it can be paralyzing. Now find myself scrambling to plan for "what ifs"-- never were things like this. I read the other Part II site.....I either never had the "fears" before, or I had them and they are magnifiedd ten-fold now because of mounting losses. Think I would be used to them by now...doesn't work that way. I never understoond, and pardon me for appearing really naive, being detached from loss or dispassion. Perhaps this comes eventually, but I still don't understand it. We face our own mortality everyday really. I look at these posts about old behaviors and patterns and how much they apply to all our (my) relationships. There is a lot of insight on this site!! For this I am grateful-- to you --to Leanna, to Wildhorse and so many others....if I thought that learning in life culminated from my own experiences, then I am not so sure I would learn much.... thank you. And thank you to the other people who post and share. I read your posts as well and learn so much. To wake up bleary-eyed and finish my coffee feeling grateful this early in the morning, is a good start to the day...and it isn't the coffee....though I am grateful for coffee. Once settled I will call you Robert! But, who am I kidding? My life has never been "settled" so...once near a phone .... and this is how it will be...planning seems futile now...loose plans are good, but fluidty seems to be the key word here.....
jacs

Robert

Hi Leanna, WHR, and Rogue - Breaking old unhealthy patterns is sometimes easier than others, and that's why I don't think frictional aspects are all that bad. If you're turning the corner on a seduction, resolving that you'll never let it tempt you again, then you're free to chart your own course. It happens to us all. I've been noting how much more time and peace of mind I have now that I've broken free of 5 or 6 people (male and female) over the past two years. They were free to change or not, but the moment of decision passes, choices are made by all concerned, and "the moving finger writes, and having writ, moves on..."

Hi jacs - Part of being human is "not to know" certain things. That challenges our creative imagination when we're in the middle of things, and clarity around why it happened and how to prevent certain things in the future, replacing them with our highest ideal and heart's intention. It's easy to be unafraid when all is seemingly well - it's another matter to be unafraid when the walls seem to be closing in. I believe it helps to remember that Spirit, "God," Dharma, or whatever is the field within which we live, and so to some degree we need to relax into the process.

You're not naive about dispassion, but it is a major skill to be cultivated in the only game in town, whether we know we're playing it or not. My understanding came when I realized I had no control over anything but my own response to what made me afraid, angry, etc. Then I knew that whatever my instincts, I had a choice to follow them or regard them with some degree of amusement, compassion, or whatever. If you MUST face a hard truth, it's better to be there and resolve whatever so you don't have to be stuck there again due to unfinished karmas.

I do love the insights people share here, since we all learn from each other and find that we're not so alone in what we're going through. And "God" definitely loves gratitude. (A big thumbs up for cafe'!) Glad you've figured out that some lives are never settled, or only settled for a while until the next call. Flexibility is a virtue in an Age in Transition!

Leana

Wild Horse, I know this may sound crazy but, this is the very first day that I'm not "tempted" to check if he sent me an email or not. I have no desire to know. I just want to use this opportunity to bring together that which is apart in me, that which lies within the dark...re-balance my perceptions of unfairness, abandonment, neglect...I want to go deep into the wound, and forgive. Having the courage to feel the pain, and becoming aware of our desperate need for healing...

crawl or fly

As a very Plutonian type (Pluto in the 12th, plus Sun, Mars, Neptune, Mercury and nNode in Scorpio, and many Pluto aspects), after reading the other posts here by "Pluto people," I have to conclude that this very difficult and purifying path is about understanding and learning to use a large reservoir of personal power for the highest good.

Robert

Hi COF - As an Aries, I'll take this moment to reassert the claim that Pluto is my spiritual ruler as well as Scorpio! My friend Carl Payne Tobey demonstrated that Pluto actually rules Aries, not Scorpio, using mathematical reasoning. Back in the 70s I took his work one step further, giving Scorpio its due, while still honoring his pioneering research. That yielded Mars as our ruler in this world, and Pluto as our ruler in the transpersonal world. Of course you're absolutely correct. The challenge of using "a large reservoir of personal power for the highest good" could certainly apply to Aries as well as Scorpio. That's why our signs understand each other. Two sides of a very intense coin.

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