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Elizabeth

Hi Robert,

One question on scorpios (like the eagle info, new to me)...what's really the difference between a scorpio rising and a scorpio sun? Does one read info posted about scorpio sun horoscopes if you're a rising?

5/28/63; 6:50 pm; Camden, NJ

Thanks! Elizabeth

Larissa

Hi Robert - nice article about those complex creatures. I love them and I at time I don't, but I do understand them and sense all their moves with ulterior motives or games. some are more intense than others, but still... Scoprio is a Scorpio. I LOVE reading Dostoevsky again and again. "Idiot" is my favorite novel. My mom could not understand why I like reading Dostoevsky so much. She didn't. I do non-stop reading of him... The deepest psychologists.
One thing for sure - they won't leave you indifferent. as much as I hate their mind games, even at work, I am drawn to them. Once you pass that mine field with them - and they stop playing mind games - they could be very nice, but yet complex and intense. always passionate, that is what i love. all or nothing. Thank you! Great article.

Larissa

.. once in my life I dated a Scorpio. he opened more in me with one touch than I though was possible, penetrating touch, magnetic addictive creatures. Beautiful ;-)

Henry

Hi Robert.

I add myself to the question of Elizabeth.

I am myself a Scorpio Rising conjunct Scorpio Node. I identify myself very much with the higher aims of this sign, but my personal planets are basically Leo (what a mixture of Lights and Shadows).

Thus, which is the difference of being a Scorpio Sun or a Scorpio Rising?. Perhaps, in my case, I can say "Scorpian life experiences have been afforded with Leo attitudes being filtered by learning incstintively Scorpio survival traits". I still have the intensity but I don't really know if it's Leonian or if it's Scorpian, I hate having innecesary mental games with people and secretisms (Leo side), but I certainly have a kind of "attraction" to bring light passionately where I see dirt or darkness, just a compulsive soul motivation, and a keen detector of "what's up below the surface".

And just noticed that others saw me not the way I thought they saw me, given that though my inner engine is Fire Leo, my outside appearence for people is certainly reserved, enigmatic, because I NEVER let the Fire out without knowing well in advance where to put the Fire...even if it boils. Just a water brake.

Well, I try to understand the difference and expose my inner feelings about the difference between a Scorpio Sun and a Scorpio Rising. One more powerful than the the other?. Which are the operative mechanics?.

Thanks teacher.

Robert

Hi Elizabeth - A Scorpio Sun is illuminated by Scorpio whatever. A Scorpio rising sees the world through a Scorpio lens. The former is the engine that pulls the train, while the latter is the view of self and therefore one's world. And yes, read BOTH your Sun sign and rising sign in posted material. I've also noted that the sign of the Asc ruler and sometimes even the Moon sign are also relevant, depending on what orientation we have at that time.

Hi Larissa - You would like Scorpio energy, since it nurtures you, helps you reflect, connect energetically, and feel deeply. Anyone with strong Earth or Water sign planets connects with Scorpio, while strong Leo, Aquarius, or Taurus energies don't connect so well. And of course, thanks for your praise of the article.

Hi Henry - Note the answer above, as you'll need to read Cancer, Scorpio, and sometimes even Leo! You are illuminated and derive power and vitality from Cancer but see yourself and the world through Scorpio lens, i.e., you take a Sag view of resources, a Cap view of your environment, Aquarian view of your early home life, Pisces view of your creativity, and so forth around the wheel. Your type of Scorpio self image is determined by everything from what decan it's in to the sign and decan of Mars. Leo at the top of your chart is how others see you since it's what you project to the public, but your inner view of yourself is Scorpionic. And of course, each of our energies is strong or weak depending on our momentary focus, but the signs on whatever house are dependent on where their rulers are, whether natally, progressed, or transiting. These form the complex of energies that infuse our approach to the affairs of the houses.

Henry

Hi Robert again.

When talking on that legendary "Scorpio" efortless and animal (perhaps better say natural) superpowerful magnetism that is being described by Larissa -as I have noticed it in some Scorpio Suns I have known in various fields of life-, can we say that Scorpio Rising transmits to the outside that same magnetism that people with inner Scorpio Suns do, or must we think about the Rising Scorpio as simply an inner process that gets no manifestation of that Plutonian spell/charm in the outside?. Perhaps I repeat myself, which I don't want, and I must think a Scorpio Rising transmits Leo energy to the outside. I'm just focusing the question on natural flow of energy.

Obviously talking in an archetypical and simplified to the core level, without talking on other configurations in a chart.

chickie

Your Highness,

The new moon in Scorpio is at 3:04pm. For what shall I pray for? I do need prayers on my behalf.

Thanks


c

Rose

Hi Robert,
Thanks so much for the wonderful article on my sun sign, Scorpio, (also my moon and mercury). It's such a relief to hear my sign described positively and without all the gastly projections we often get saddled with.

Your articles have helped me to stay grounded through some very painful experiences and I'm very grateful.

Thank you,
Rose

Robert

Hi Henry - The planets are our inner "Lights" that we transmit to the outer world. Our rising merely shows our view of our world. Scorpio rising is "biased" in a Scorpio view of self and world. Leo rising is biased in seeing the self and the world through a Leo lens. The rising sign "embodies" that energy, but doesn't necessarily transmit it externally. So we see it, the world sees it, but just as often it and we don't, unless we have self-awareness.

Hi Chickie - Meditate on what "work" has been well done, and what must be dropped so that regeneration can happen. Open to a future promise "at a distance" but not that far away. Despite the deceptions of the New Moon square Neptune, there is great momentum from Jupiter conjunct Pluto sextile Neptune and Mars favorable to Saturn and Uranus if we know when to leap while slowing down.

Hi Rose - Each sign has its importance in the 12 fold process shown by the zodiac. It's too bad that human dysfunction has created biases around certain signs. And of course, we do form our own attachments and aversions to certain types of energies based in our experience with people who fall short of the best of those energies. Still, it's more about the planets, since a Sun in Scorpio can manifest either the "barrenness" or "fruitfulness" of Scorpio, just as Saturn in Scorpio can show the "slavery" or "dominion" of that sign energy. The signs just are what they are - it takes the planets to show the strengths or weaknesses of a given sign. Glad I could be here as a reference point in your trials. Of course, you're most welcome, and may you go forth to better things and happier times. This Mars RX should be very helpful to you both short and long term, as it harmonizes your Scorpio in your Solar Return chart with Uranus in Pisces in a Grand Water Trine, with Saturn supporting.

Micheline  Cloutier

Great article, but I did not see mentioned Sean Connery (or was reading to fast), and Frida Khalo and Jeff Buckely (Tim Buckley's son).
Mind you Sean is not my favourite scorpio actor. But I thought I would mention it. Friday Khalo is one of my absollute favourite artists and I love Jeff Buckley.
Thanks for the article Robert.

Robert

Hi Micheline - Sean Connery is a Virgo, Frida Kahlo is a Cancer. I've added Jeff Buckley to the list of musical Scorpios.

Larissa

Hi Robert again -- I have a question - what does it mean when between two people is says Square - Moon - Pluto. Great physical attraction but could be fatal. Problems on the sexual level. It will be very difficult to get over this relationship, if it is possible to get over it. ( I copied it from what it said). Can you please give me some light on this? Thank you. All i know that squares are not that good. :-)

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Louise

Hey Robert.
Just want to get it posted here for the record that Katherine Hepburn is a Taurus [DOB 5/12/1907] with Venus is Aries, just like Cate Blanchett, who won an academy award for portraying her. That's synastry!
Oh, and while I'm at it, I guess I should say "Hello" to the other Pisces Louise who posted something on your wonderous website. Not only do we have the same name and sign, but we both have stelliums in Pisces, and she's got the sign rising while I have the opposite with Pisces on the DSC. A truly odd coincidence.
Thanks.
Louise

Robert

Hi Louise - I had already changed Kate to Taurus, but forgot to delete her from the Scorpio list. 'Tis now complete. And of course similar beings would assemble here!

zodiaclove

Hello
I don't agree with what you said really....
please explain in detail a bit more for me ;D


cheers

Robert

Hi zodiacluv - I note you tried to slip in a link to a commercial site without checking with me first. Your comment is ridiculous. Peace Out.

Dee

Hi, Robert
What do you think about sun in Scorpio, moon in Cancer and Pisces raisig combination?

Robert

Hi Dee - Lots of water! Learn to flow on and on without clutching or getting stopped up. Learn how to change state from solid to liquid to gas or between any of these. Never lose your dependability as you stay open to knowing things others don't sense. Transcend moods that trap you in unhelpful feeling states, and allow your natural creativity to express the deeper truths you discover. And stop taking things personally, since much that you feel isn't yours anyway, but something you're picking up from your world, near and/or far.

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