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Jo Garceau

Robert, am I understanding correctly that as Saturn conjuncts the natal Pluto, a ring pass not boundary is established crystalizing Divine Power at that point for the next Saturn cycle? And that whatever happens in the manifestation of this Divine Power during the subsequent cycle refers back to this point? So that as transits occur, the crystalized Divine Power becomes more manifest? To be specific, when Saturn is at 24 degrees Scorpio it is "opening up" a 24 degree natal Cancer Pluto.

If so, this is very helpful...

Robert

Hi Jo - In a word, yes. The Divine Restructuring of Saturn conjunct Pluto does find productive growth in the waxing sextile, specialization in the waxing quintile, spiritual realizations in the waxing binovile, a crisis of emergent power at the waxing square, a turning point in the "destiny" of how that Pluto expresses at the waxing biseptile, an interactive gift at the waxing tredecile, and a natural harmony of expression at the waxing trine. (I will develop this concept in terms of "the whole cycle" in a webinar class I'll offer in the near future.) Put your Pluto "narrative" within that frame of reference. (You also have another one going back to the mid-70s when Saturn was last in Cancer, and trined Pluto in late degrees around 1984-85.)

An added bonus for the late Pluto in Cancer gen is that Jupiter set the stage for expanding that Plutonic power last Autumn, or using it in some protective, benevolent, merciful, or abundant way. That should yield excellent harmonics this Spring when Jupiter again conjuncts that gen's Pluto, closing out the cycle that began 2001-2002 and opening a new one. The new Jupiter-Pluto cycle commencing at this time will be more expressive of the recent Saturn in Cancer, whereas the last Jupiter in Cancer was still within the "umbra" of the Saturn-Pluto cycle that began in the 70s. Just another way of taking a look at interplanetary cycles across a life. The same conjunction might express entirely differently, given the preceding planetary cycles in play.

caliban

So like, why was I struggling so hard against it? I think what I'm reading is that it was a battle I was bound to lose. It just isn't what I was told life was supposed to be. Maybe I heard it wrong. Does saturn have a duality. :D

Robert

Hi caliban - We cannot resist the transformations our natal Pluto will bring us. Simply impossible, though many die trying. When transiting Saturn (external situations and opportunities that test our ability to restructure toward dominion away from chains of mental slavery) conjuncts our natal Divine Transpersonal Transformative Shivaic seed power, we may as well go with what frees us, since we really have no other alternative. Natal Pluto is a non-dual Divine Power.

chickie

Ur Highness....I lost my dad July 2004....summer (May 2005) Pool Premonitions of Katrina....pluto threw me down at the bottom of my pool from May 2005 to 2007. pffft And I'm feeling like about to go down one more time??


Robert

Hi chickie - All deaths help us transform conditional love into unconditional love. And of course, living in an impermanent reality, all forms pass away. That teaches us humility and detachment, with compassion because we share that with all others across time. It's part of the universal human condition, and reminds us to "pass it forward."

That which "goes down" is entirely an ego construct. We must learn about the underworld of existence so we do not fear it. Yet simultaneously there is a part of us that can laugh at the absurdity of what is, what we imagine, and what will never be. We play it as it lays. A very Wise Man once told us to deal with today's problems today, and leave tomorrow's problems for tomorrow. That helps ground us in the NOW.

Not that long ago I had SERIOUS reservations about the point in space/time that Saturn occupied, since the last time it was there I died, went to the other side, and was offered the chance to come back. This time it bent me out of shape for a very brief and intense period of time, but then I came to see what was behind my mind's chatter. If we're eternal, we ARE eternal. It just takes experience to focus on what's important (Amore, Filios, Agape!) and learn how to manage this marvelous, contrary, occasionally rebellious vehicle we call the body, feelings, and mind. And to learn to have a sense of humor about the whole thing.

debbie

although it has often been a very heavy experience and heartbreaking realisation of the cruelty of the society in which we live, thus the cruelty to self as hidden in the depths of ones mind, it has also given opportunity to clean clear and purify through healing, born in 61 I have pluto in virgo opposing chiron in pisces and hope my hard work has helped the whole of which we are all a fragment. One bad apple can indeed infect the whole bowl, however all things being equal, the same goes for uninfected/untainted. The sorrow this past few days has been heavy as saturn reverses through the underworld and yet sorrow to me indicates the end of grief for some, so long as it is worked through and one does not give up and get back on that old cycle once again due to the "injustices" and "revelations" and their overwhelm due to the many lives wasted through much hard work and seemingly needless suffering the mind is passionately throwing up, as mars reverses through libra, instead to passionately and fairly focus inwards to heal ones own contribution to that suffering and cruelty, towards oneself or the judgement of others thus remove its power thus energy. To me, those of us older folk leading by example as the younger folk go through this at this time, is the best one is able to offer and it doesnt take money or status to do it, it is a given.

Jo Garceau

Robert, thanks. The dialogue on this is fabulous.

Michele

Robert,
What about a square some babyboomers are facing between these two heavy-hitting planets? Saturn, currently retro at 23 degrees Scorpio, is squaring my natal Pluto, at 25 degrees Leo. At 60, I'm grappling with aging, health and retirement issues. However, I'm growing increasingly excited at the prospect of working on my writing hobby full-time, once I retire, because the numerous day jobs I've worked the past forty years were unfulfilling and strictly a means of support.
Best,
Michele

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