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As Ouspenski and his teacher stated: there are many "I's". Which I is real, or are any of them real, is the individual "real"?

Note: Over the weekend the AP anounced three "new" planets. This is no new surprise....for years a number of Astrologers have suggested this reality, ploting potential positions for the planets....

Its going to be three "new" as a subcatagory to Pluto, called Pluton. The three casting influence upon or modifying Pluto. Adding color and depth to transformation and/or personal growth. The group are already being referred to as Pluton.

This will make a set of twelve.....just consider the twelves we already have: twelve signs, houses, months of the year, tribes of Isreal, Apostles....lots of archetype ideas.

Moving into Aquarian times, this recognized change may have a profound impact on the development of consciousness and movement of "new age" ideas into the greater population. Perhaps a greater number of mankind will strive to become "real".

Have you read the Velvetine Rabbit, if its good for kids it can be good for the big folks too.



Hi Joseph - For readers who may not know, Ouspensky was a disciple of Gurdjieff. To address your first statement, the "I" is always real. What we perceive is not the whole "I" though the "I" can be directly experienced and known. The individual is as real as a discrete spark of unique Spirit exists beyond space and time distinctions.

Consciousness Itself transcends all forms, and is individualized, though it takes an infinite number of shapes in its eternal manifestation and is never separate from all that IS. Those Masters who have come back from the dead and been witnessed by thousands, like Sri Yukteswar, Apollonius of Tyana, Babaji, Lahiri Mahasaya, Sri Hairakhan Wale Baba, and others have demonstrated that the "I" is real and transcends physical limitations of life, death, hunger, sleep, gravity, and so forth.

As for the "new" planets, one is a Moon of Pluto, and one is Ceres, part of the asteroid belt, well known to astrologers for centuries. And of course there is the one waaay beyond Pluto, plus the one they didn't mention, the Transpluto discovered by German astronomer-astrologers back in the 60s. No astrologer I know of attributes a sign rulership to Ceres alone or a Moon of Pluto, nor would they assert that an asteroid affects Pluto's function, as it has its own, along with the other big three asteroids (Juno. Pallas, and Vesta) currently used by millions of astrologers.

As for the twelve, remember that there are 14 signs in the current ecliptic that include Cetus and Ophiucus, both well known constellations to those who have studied "Astrology 14" these past 35 years. And of course we can only hope that humanity does move beyond its old fears and superstitions into a greater connectedness with each other and cosmos as soon as possible. Perhaps when we stop killing the seas and each other we can begin to rebuild, though I have little doubt due to the environmental degradation we've set into motion that there will be widespread displacement of populations in the next 15-20 years. Maybe then we shall learn to live the dictum of Professor Franklin, that "If we do not hang together then most assuredly we shall all hang separately." It's time for all to find their sangha, or community of the spirit, and live synergistically with an eye to the future, contributing what we can for the betterment of all. And of course the Velveteen Rabbit is most excellent.


Aloha it is,one of my rare time managing to switch on the internet and as I was in question of who I am..there it is your article of the subject thats intriguing me at this point in time..what a synchronisity that is.. :)
well,so far,been not well and had been resting most the same time,with the latest earthquake on the south coast of sumatera,try to stay in positive thoughts.everyday theres earthquake going on that place,padang and bengkulu...sending the people there much love and peace in prayers..i do hope one day,you can make a reading for me,so I truly know who I am, :)hope to hear from you soon my dearest always,ann


Hello Robert -

This is the first time I've seen this website and it is very informative. I found it by doing a google search under "self-undoing."

Right now, I am very much in a state of "who am I." This past year has been the worst ever. I am a libra/sco-asc/aqu-moon/ven-vir/mars-leo/jup-tau/sat-aqu.
(10/14/64 8:40 a.m. et/ny,ny)

I married a man (03/10/78 no time, managua,nicaragua) (pisces with aries in moon/mercury/venus, can-mars/ gem-jup/leo-sat)

Aiieee! March was a roller coaster with The Grand Irrationality. He came out with a huge sexual identity crisis that he had hidden from me from the time we met (not long - we met in Oct/Nov 2005). I'd like to believe that his coming out about the lies and betrayal was a positive step for him and a necessary step for me. We had only been married for three months when it happened. We are almost divorced now, but I still feel a sense of... the best i can put in astrological aspects - a sense that neither one of us knows who we are, where we belong, what we are doing. I'm not sure from him - only what he says - and he can be deceptive to avoid conflict. But I know for myself that being free from control is at once liberating but frustrating and terrifying. my husband says he is at last in control of his life - but avoids anything regarding relationships. I feel in control of my life, but wish it could be merged with his. Trying to decipher what the Higher Power is asking of me - and knowing when it's the good and not the bad has been difficult. Knowing the difference between denying the true path and overcoming obstacles has been very difficult especially in a relationship with someone who doesn't seem to know what he wants, what is an obsession, what is an addiction, and what is healthy. (and I am in no position to know those things for him either - I just want him to be happy).


Hi Ann - Earthquakes are a drag, and guaranteed to become more frequent on the "Ring of Fire" for some time to come. And I'm sure we'll schedule soon, but until then remember YOU are who YOU ARE, regardless of what I or anyone else says. And given who you are and what you do, that's a verrrry good thang.

Hi Houstonia - Welcome to the cantina. I'm an ex-pat Tejano, for what it's worth. I also used to spend time on Houston (that's How-stun to anyone west of the Hudson) St. down by Canal, Tribecca, the Square, Alphabet Soup and the rest of the insane magnificence that is New Yawk. So I'm an expert on "Houstonia." You have some great birth numbers. Next year will be a blast. 2009 will rejuvenate your spirits and give you a huge adventure. You've just started an entire cycle. Next year will bring a values shift, as well as who you can and cannot relate to.

Autonomy is always a good thing, and when another decides they are something different than what they offered, then the contract is dissolved and it's time to remake your imaging so you are free to chart your own course in your life. Be yourself regardless of whatever other assumptions you believe you have, but make sure each is clear about exactly what is and is not assumed. This of course would be true regardless of who you're interacting with. Who YOU are has nothing to do with who another thinks they are.


Beautifil wisdom.If everyone had the ability to 'empathise' with the other,the world would have been a better place to live in.


Hi Sunil - Well, as the Dalai Lama recently put it, "As I have mentioned before, taking care of others actually benefits you." Sooner or later, we shall all realize we are all in this together, and "we all hang together or else we shall all hang separately," to paraphrase the venerable Dr. Ben Franklin.

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