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Javed

Hi Robert:

Found the article on the Grand irrationality very interesting. Although I am aware that you do not use TNPs , I would like to suggest that Poseidon and Vulkanus, two important TNPs currently occupy two additional points of the Grand irrationality, 218 and 116 respectively.

To quote Martha Wescott words this could mean that there is potential for people to persuade with one’s vision or new ideas. People could change their minds utterly and about really esoteric and psychological subjects perhaps after some catharsis. She also adds that there is opening here for surrender to the higher will. We may see that people have their own motives for their beliefs and that intellect can be used to "push" at others and capitalize on their weaknesses and deepest needs. We may see instances where a person's "metaphysics" have become an obsession or a kind of thought disorder.

Javed

Annette

Robert,

I'm back to the concept of Destiny. You put it in quotations marks (as you do with metaphysics). The quotation marks usually indicate that you're not saying exactly what you mean -- that the word inside is short-hand for something else.

Metaphysics I get -- there really isn't another word for it, and it's not usually applied to a personality.

Destiny, on the other hand, does apply to people almost exclusively (unless there is a mammal or globl arm to this, too, now).

What do you mean by it?

You write quite a lot about the relationships among/ the meeting points of free will, forks in the road, and destiny (which, I believe, means fate -- or that which is going to happen no matter what).

Can you please elaborate on the concept of destiny and free will here as you mean it? I still struggle with your take here.

Thanks,
Annette

Christine E

Thanks Robert...this is wonderfully detailed and comprehensive. Now I just have to keep it all in mind as the next 2 months unfold! Still dealing with Pluto square my Sun. I know this is a necessary transit but man, will I be dancing for joy when it is finally over. It is so heavy. But the election cheered me up alot :)

Viki

Hi Robert,

Last year was totally crazy and this year I am adapting more to the weirdness. My natal Sun in Scorpio is in the "hot zone" and my progressed Sun is at 1 Cap, with transiting Pluto conjunct, also in the "hot zone." It seems we Scorpios do love to transform ourselves, as TPluto was conjunct my natal Sun many years ago, and now I am in for another remodelling, LOL! December sounds as if it will be really wild with the inner planets crossing the Sag/Cap cusp. My Solar Return has an Aries Ascendant with cardinal signs on all angles, so I'm doing my best to understand that "wild and crazy" is the new "normal."

Thanks for the article and info about the Grand Irrationality. It helps to keep the balance!

Micheline

Hi, Robert, how are you. This post is great and thought its lenghty its very juicy. hehehehe
but i do need a clarification on your following statement

"When Mars conjuncts Pluto at the Galactic Center, it will end the old cycle that began January 2007 and activate the Jupiter-Pluto conjunction cycle that began December 2007"

first what was the old cycle and where might have it fallen in my chart
second how does it activate the jupiter-pluto conjunctiong that happened way back in december 2007...

thanks micheline

Valerie

Hi Robert,
Another fine article. I am navigating the irrational seas fairly well- not thinking very clearly but I don't think I'm supposed to at this time LOL. May I insert a small request here- I am going to do an astrology column soon for my sister's website, called Delmarva Almanac. May I put in a link to your site which I believe would be interesting and helpful to readers?

http://delmarva-almanac.com
This is the site if you want to take a peek- hope this is not inappropriate.

Thanks! :)

Robert

Hi Javed - Yes, I don't use Uranian astrology points since having investigated it extensively some years ago, I found it to make too many points "hot" to be able to do precision work. When we have a hundred points made active, anything can result in anything. And they are in fact theoretical planets. Not saying they don't exist somewhere in space-time, but I find that sticking with what we have confirmed actually have form yields plenty of results. Much of what you quote could be attributes of Neptune.

Hi Annette - When I put something in quotation marks, besides meaning that the term is shorthand for something greater than can be expressed, I'm also conveying the fact that many people will define that term according to local belief systems. As for "destiny," (or "fate") I've written before that there are only two things that are destined, or fated. One is to be born where you were, when you were, to the folks you were born to. The other is the timing on certain major choices. This is not what most think those terms mean which is why they get quotes. Most think those terms encompass far more than they actually do and that fate, or destiny, makes our life rather than vise-versa. EVERYTHING is free will except those two determinants. As we make our character through our choices, we make our destiny.

Hi Christine - Pluto transits are heavy, but also purifying and ultimately transforming seed forms into realities so we can choose our unfolding potential. And while the election also gave me encouragement, the system is still the system, the neocons aren't going away, and Dubya put us all in a ditch that it'll take years to climb out of. He was truly the worst president in history.

Hi Viki - Yes, it would seem your "enlightenment principle" is at a critical fork in the road relative to the larger gestalt. Flexibility is truly a virtue in an Age in Transition!

Hi Micheline - Doing fine now that I'm off the road! The last cycle began the last time Mars conjuncted Pluto in late Sagittarius. Where that is in your chart is where it fell. It activates the Jupiter-Pluto conjunction point as a result of its transit over that point due to it being the first transit of that point since it happened.

Hi Valerie - By all means, please place a link on your site to this one. From what I saw, it looks classy so far!

Valerie

Thank you!! Have a great Thanksgiving... :)

Micheline

Hi, Robert, there is nothing like home. How is the new one going for you by the way? I can not wait until the day when I can afford to buy one of my own. Actually, speaking of home and homes and having your house. Some interesting things have come to light. When I went home for the month of July and spend that time staying at one of my big sisters place in Toronto, my sister confronted me about my future and she is worried about what how I am going to retire and all that stuff. Mind you I am only 44 and I am not planning on laying down yet. I feel I still have far too much to accomplish and do in my life. Especially now that I have changed my direction a bit and I more on the right path the before. She wanted me to come back next year but then she just got an offer to teach for two years in Lithuania, which in a way is good for me cause it gives me more time to save for the possibility of full time school, if that goes well, then a masters degree in ethnomusicology, if that goes well then i am going to go for the doctorate..... But who knows. One has to remain flexible.

Also, want to comment on what you said based on what I said previously. (sorry that was long winded but that above stuff refers to the mars conjunct my sun in my fourth house i believe/interesting huh!)

the last time mars conjuncted pluto in late sag would have been in my fith house.... cause i know that pluto is about to transit my sun/moon midpoint, someone said that this would bring some kind of power struggle..... why does it have to be some kind of power struggle.... anyway its my fifth house

have you ever heard of Firdaria
(check out this site http://firdaria.com/)

i found this really interesting because as i have mentioned before i have been going through my own crossing of the roads, and felt very lost all of a sudden around the time that according to the firdaria is when i have my south node period.... and that is lifting

the sun is coming out

what i find interesting is that according to the calculations of the firdaria i am going into my sun time period on dec.6.2008....which happens to coincide with this sun/mars conjunction as well.

lets see what happens

peace and namaste to you and thank you for taking the time answer my questions.....

okay so i went and took at look at transits for that time
both pluto and jupiter where conjuncting each other in my fift house and thats when i really started to get serious about learning guitar
music singing art communicating poetry children i teach them right now but have no formal education degree of course for that whichi is also another good reason to be going back to school
i dream of travelling and being to learn the kind of music i want to learn more about and i do my best with the resources at hand and i have been meeting some great people here for that
well thats all for now
again thank you very much
peace micheline

Henry

With this Grand Irrationality going on I must re-read articles from time to time.
So one thing that has made a lot of sense -rational or irrational, I don't know by now-, just quote:

"Of some substantial importance, late December 2008 will be more volatile than usual as a result of Jupiter moving into a waning septile with Uranus. This marks the forming of the seed of the future Jupiter-Uranus cycle to begin in 2010 with their conjunction in early Aries".

Does it mean that, perhaps, you can meet people that will be important afterwards or start to shape a new destiny -although by now it is not very clear, but "intuitively" you know it "could" be a "further step", still taking nothing for granted but feeling lots of new intuitive inputs or "seemingly-fated" contacts in late December?-. Yes, volatile. Nothing for sure but I wonder if last Sun/Mars conjunct Pluto adds that new sense...

Perhaps that's a valid effect for this specific septile and all the cosmic dances surrounding.

Don't know, really Grand means Grand.

Robert

Hi Henry - It's definitely happening on a grand scale! That particular Jupiter septile could very well mean opportunities that are unexpected or unusual that open future circumstances. What you surmise could also very well be the situation, since Mars conjunct Pluto septile Neptune could also yield intuitive impressions about future possibilities. The future part comes as a result of both Mars and Jupiter make waning septiles, which are totally future oriented. The Mars effect will come quicker, this coming Spring, whereas the Jupiter effect will show in 2010. Happy Nuevo Ano!

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