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Well, this is a hard question - who is free? - abusers often see themselves as victims.. And people that commit strong violent acts often don´t remember - they feel like someone else has taken over..A more shamanistic view feels more "realistic" for me..


Great food for thought, Robert.

Ull's point above really resonates.

Eckhart Tolle, in The Power of Now and The New Earth, explains in a great amount of detail how identification with the mind and emotions - which he also refers to as "the pain body" - basically makes people more or less insane and more or less dysfunctional - until they start to awaken. He suggests that until one starts to become more self-aware, or more conscious, one can't truly be held responsible for one's actions in any real sense. (This doesn't mean there aren't consequences to our actions, of course.)

I had a hard time accepting what he was saying in the beginning, but after reading his books over and over again in the last few years (they grew on me and in me), and after much reflection on these issues on my own, I really get it now. I am much less judgmental of myself and others these days.

This is because I realize there are things I don't think/say/do anymore that I thought/said/did plenty twenty or thirty years ago. I am very different now (and I wasn't a "bad" person before by any means, but a bit of a victim, or powerless - which I see as every bit as unevolved as being a perpetrator or an abuser, btw). But I forgive my pathetic former self, because, in looking back, I was doing the best I could with what I had to work with at the time. Years of meditation, utilizing various self-help techniques and basically psycho-analyzing myself using my jyotish and Western astrology charts have really changed me. I also credit sheer willpower, motivation and determination, together with having a highly aspected Pluto in my twelfth house! And I make no claims other than to say I am in a very good place now.

So I'm not sure I agree we can hold people responsible for their unevolved behaviours. Yet I still wonder why some of us have that initial spark to change, evolve, grow and transform, while others seem not to. Do we have a choice in that regard? I don't know. Tolle seems to suggest that awakening may be a case of GRACE. It could be a question of divine timing.

Increasingly, I sense that the evolution of consciousness is unfolding in an orderly if unfathomable sequence, that there's no need to be impatient about the pace of our collective and individual progress, and that people awaken when they awaken, not a minute sooner and not a minute later. I actually enjoy watching that process unfold and try not to consider someone seemingly less awake than I am to be inferior or those more evolved than I am (and I do recognize them as such) to be superior. They are just on their own timetable, as I am. Everyone is right where they should be in the process, so we can all just relax!


Thanks so much for this post, Robert. It is very helpful to read.

The type of behavior you describe also reminds me of "the Refusal of the Call", turning back, turning -- like the denizens of Plato's cave -- away from the light of truth/light/liberation and back to the the play of shadows on the wall...

There is something very sad about this, but I think it's important to remember that at least until the moment of death, and perhaps even afterwards, there is still a chance for them to see the light and return to the truth (as did the Prodigal Son).

Of course it is extremely painful to be a victim of this kind of abusive action and/or to love (or have inner ties to) someone who has chosen to do this...


Nothing is more painful to experience or to witness than a split conscience.

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Caliban is so right....I would also atribute that to a sun/moon opposistion in the natal chart...which has caused me major problems...

Elizabeth.. thank you for your post, I have been asleep
and driven by impulses/addictions/and been a victim myself. recently I am seeing myself, and making choices/decisions that I was never ever aware of before.
I have been stuck in a rut...I am very "fixed" and I see how hard it is to break patterns/behaviours...but I see untill you "feel" what you have been doing, as Echart Toole said in the pain body, I also agree it is litterly impossible to get out of the fog.

I have issues with abadonement/rejection etc..and have effectively pushed away, alienated, everything that I really want, out of fear...and from belielf within that I do not deserve it...and I have become more comfortable with the feeling of "lack" than love. That was programmed into my head at a very early age, not much love from my parents...I am struggling to overcome my demons, and allow things into my life. I am "feeling" very deeply and painfully, and i believe I am only aware of what I have done, because the past is coming to the surface. I am so tired of creating the same thing over and over....I hope I can overcome a very difficult chart. I am a scorpio...I hope I am finally going to be able to stop stinging myself, and others and evolve.

best wishes to all in this 'transistion period"...

mary streets

Thank you Robert. I sent a song of life off and was waiting for a universal response. Turned out I was an echo!

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