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Micheline

Excellent writing Robert. Very well addressed.

lee

I think this is timely given the coming Uranus-Pluto squares. I read earlier today (if memory serves) that Uranus is conjunct Pallas Athene on June 24th and that consequently, the Uranus push to express an authentic and reformative energy in impulsive Aries will be uncharacteristically tempered with wisdom. In my personal life, I am attempting to show a friend how "double-bind" messages work to cripple one's ability to respond effectively to circumstances (a la the "double-bind" theory of schizogenesis). His ability has certainly been hindered for many years but I think he may be in the throes of the first of several epiphanies that will hopefully release him from terrible mental constraints that have plagues him for years.

Robert

Hi Lee - Yes, especially since the square from Aries to Capricorn challenges us all to be very clear about how our Cancer and Libra functions are playing out. It seems like our modern world is one big false equivalency, with lots of habitual feeling about what's being asserted and a lot of out of balance situations and people. May this restore the balance and the type of caring that our world needs to restore perspective and a sense of kindness.

lee

Collectively speaking, an example of a "double-bind" message is "You should save for retirement/plan for a secure future/get an education" accompanied by "banks, investment firms, and corporations may take huge risks with their assets that threaten both their own strength and the security of the citizenry", etc. We are being told that we ought to pursue an unequivocal good, but we are also being told that we cannot pursue it, for to do so is too risky.

Robert

Hi Lee - There's also the problem of what we're not being told that could shift the perspective of a polarized argument. People who argue false equivalencies often come from a place of one-sided information and interpretation.

One small example: ALL the media hyped the recent Scott Walker victory in Wisconsin, heralding it as some sort of bellweather example of what we can expect nationally this November. HOWEVER! What has been ignored by the media was that one more Repub state Senator was recalled and replaced with a Dem, which means Walker can no longer get his agenda rubber stamped by the Wisconsin Legislature. That effectively stops his attempted giveaway of the Wisconsin public utilities to the Koch brothers.

So what is now heralded as a great mandate for the Repub agenda actually accompanied a huge roadblock to that agenda. The false equivalency is that Walker's victory equals a national mandate for his policies.

ps - As I was composing this, another false equivalency popped into mind, probably due to a bunch of tv commercials and political ads. This one offers that drilling for more oil and fracking the Earth leads to energy independence. First, drilling for more oil only means that down the line it will be sold on the open market. That has nothing to do with "energy independence." Nor does fracking, since any oil it yields also will go on the open market. So exploring for, and finding, and pumping more oil does not have anything to do with "energy independence." False equivalency.

lee

Hi Robert. I think you said it best when you wrote "More importantly, if we do attempt to introduce a critical piece of information, is it welcomed or denied by the one making the false equivalency? This shows the fluidity and openness or lack of these in the interactive dynamic, since false equivalencies require rigid stances and usually cannot adapt to conflicting or contrasting views." A great topic for a later piece might be how to disengage or otherwise cope with rigidity. There was a sad article in the NY Times, yesterday I think, about the stresses of living in Greece at present, and how frequently and easily even good friends get into shouting matches about the economic crisis.

Nancy

Wow. What great discourse! Thank you.

Violet Hour Muse

Whoa! "Batterers and abusers use false equivalencies". I read that and received a deeper take: 'It is my perception that you are witholding information I need, therefore I feel justified in tormenting you, to force you to release your hold over me'. Serious abdication of personal responsibility for moral agency in that co-valency.

Robert

Hi Violet - If I read your statement correctly, you're speaking from the view of an abuser toward someone they are trying to maintain power over who cannot or will not give them information and the abuser perceives it as the other having a hold over them. If so, yes, someone who will "torment" someone else because they won't give them what they want is twisted up a fair degree. Still, how can someone be "tormented" if they have the power to walk away?

In my experience, batterers don't usually believe someone else has a hold over them, but they may feel like it's justified to beat someone if the other doesn't give them the information they want. ("You lied, therefore I get to hit you.") This is the basis of government interrogations. Of course, given the fact that the most brutal interrogations usually don't yield valid or useful information is proof enough in the fallacy of that approach.

From another angle, I am not sure withholding information is abusive, since if we need it we can always get it one way or another. No one can prevent us from finding out what we need to know. I do understand the fine line about occasionally needing to use some form of force to make it clear to another they need to release their hold, but again, speaking truth to power sometimes seems abusive in itself.

This is where the rub of existence seems to hold sway - how much can we assert ourselves in the realm of shared space before someone perceives it as abusive, whether it is or not? And then how do we deal with it? Stay or go? Speak an uncomfortable truth to a denier, or allow them their delusion in silence? Sometimes the truth hurts. Many complexities of human relationships hinge on these questions.

caliban

My favorite bust, which I found really gutsy, was the pope's statement that republican policies are not christian.

And the Walker thing, it really brought all this to the fore for me. The list is too long.

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