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Thanks, Robert! I have NN in Scorpio in the 4th house, so your examples were right on for me! I was wondering, how wide of an orb do you think can be felt in aspects between the natal nodes & natal planets? I have Jupiter in Taurus at the apex of a T-square with Moon in Aquarius opposite Mars in Leo, and they are all within 10 degrees of the nodal axis, creating a wide grand cross. I definitely feel drawn & quartered most of the time in this life.


Hi Katie - I have a similar T-square between Moon in Aquarius, Pluto/Asc in Leo, Venus in Taurus, without the Nodes. A 10 degree orb is extremely wide. If it's out of sign, then the Nodes are not part of the T. While Jupiter is a strong planetary influence, I only give that wide an orb for a Sun or Moon conjunction or opposition.

It's probably not a Grand Cross, since if it's 10 wide then the Nodes can't be square the opposing planets. Perhaps a binovile (78-82 degrees for most planets) or if slightly over 10 then a biseptile (100+ to 104+). There's another aspect called the trielftile (98 degrees 12 min.) but I reserve a very tight orb for the 11th harmonic aspect series.

I would think the T is activated before the Nodal effect kicks in if it's before the Nodal axis, or conversely, your Nodal growth is activated followed by the T-square integration and release if the Nodes precede the T. And of course, every time there's a planet transit the void of a T the pattern kicks in, creating either the fracturing of a Grand Square or a dynamic integration expressed through the transit.


Hi, I wonder, do you have a house system preference? My NN is in the 7th in Equal, but the 8th in Placidus. I'm veering towards Placidus more and more. There are so many systems one could go crazy with interpretive investigations. Thanks.



Hi Robert,

Thanks so much for these great articles! I am wondering, how should we interpret movement of the nodes through the Sabian Symbols, since the nodes move backwards? First, how do we count degrees--if the True Node is now at 14' 05" Scorpio, do we round up, as usual, or down to follow the movement of the node? And second, how do we interpret the evolution (de-volution?) from 15" Scorpio (Children playing around five mounds of sand) to 14" Scorpio (Telephone Linemen at work installing new connection).

Thanks much for your thoughts!



Thanks Robert! I guess I should have said less than 10 degrees. Mars is 6deg13' away from an exact square, Jupiter is 7deg31' off from an exact conjunction to the SN, and the moon has the widest arc at 9deg26' away from an exact square to the nodes. None of those aspects shows up at all on my chart at Astrodienst, but were shown as a grand cross on an old astrology program I had many years ago (can't even remember what it was called now). It seems most astrologers only use a very tight orb for aspects to the nodes, but, like I said, I can feel them (I am extremely sensitive). What orbs do you use with nodal aspects in the natal chart?


So, with 1st house NN in Cancer, my line of development is to nurture (myself &) others while being alone? Confusing!


Hi Tasha - I did a couple of articles a while back that are in the archives. I'll reprint one of them next week. It's all a question of whether you want to divide the quadrants using a space-based system, a time based system, or a space-time based system. I use Porphyry, but also Equal and sometimes Placidus ALL AT THE SAME TIME. That creates zones where the houses overlap. These zones are where one life area overlaps another life area, and where those life areas impact the adjacent life area. In your case, your NN shows your line of greatest development is to understand how the 7th and 8th houses affect each other.

Hi Kristin - We always round up, since that is what Marc Jones offered us regarding those symbols. 15 Scorpio is the span from 14 degrees 00min, 01 sec through 15 00 00 of longitude. It is not affected by transits. That is that span in the 360 points of evolution. One way to interpret is that we have moved from growth in seeing "the world of the 5 senses and the mind as the playground of God and Soul" into growth through finding techniques of communication across "distant regions" whether physical or otherwise. And as I've noted, this is a general line of development/release that will be more activated at times, less at others, depending on the Moon (since we are speaking of the Moon's Nodes.) Remember that the ancients did not believe the Nodes to activate unless the Moon itself was making an aspect to them.

Hi Katie - Yes. You can see from the answer that precision is important. Mars is within square, and Jupiter is of course conjunct SN. The Moon may not be a square except at times when another planet "collects the light" and pulls the square span together. I tend not to put much focus on aspects to the Nodes, since as I noted there is the concern they only activate when the Moon makes aspects to them. That said, there are other planetary Nodes that also are said to activate when aspects by the planets whose nodes they are.

Hi Diana - Cap SN 7th does NOT mean "being alone." If anything, it would indicate that you default to trying to take responsibility for others but need to grow more in terms of caring for yourself. It can also show karmic relationships with those who are older, or some other Cap trait. It shows that your line of least resistance is to focus on "the other," when you need to grow in terms of knowing your Self as expressed in all your one on one relationships.

Clearly you need to nurture your self image, be more your own "Mom," and definitely manage your "up close and personal" feelings. As you nurture yourself appropriately, it will be demonstrated through the Cap 7th house experiences that inevitably result. I would think this life really is "all about YOU," and you need to let go of people who believe it's "all about them."

And to note, we are NEVER "alone." We are never separate from anything or anyone or the life around us. We are as surrounded by life as a fish by water. We can always find someone to "partner" with. The trick is to find those who are good to us and for us, where we are also good for them and good to them.

christy all this loss (and it's HUGE,every sector of my life) that I'm experiencing is a result of the transiting NN in Scorpio in my first house??? (now conjunct the Asc)

sheesh...I'm so not getting this! because it's now (and has been for a little while) in trine to my 3 Cancer planets in 8th & 9th!

however, NN in the 4th? suffice it to say I will NEVER accept that configuration in any future lifetimes to come!

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